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QUOTE(elvers @ 10:53am Fri Jul 27 2007) [snapback]1399722[/snapback]

My guess was that it was saying it was Vista capable. There just isn't enough information on that page. The price disparity is pretty huge, though, which makes me wonder. Unless Excaliber is known for having dramatically lower prices . . .

Edited to add: And here's another place where you can purchase parts at the same time. Vista Ultimate sure isn't bundled in there either.

You could be right since it lists the C2D too, which I would think would be separate. We get MS Office and OSs quite a bit cheaper than they're advertising though, so not really sure. I don't really know anything about excaliber.com. It just popped up when searching the model number on google.

They sure are socking it to customers for software with the system on your link, but the hardware prices are within reason. In fact, our retail prices are almost identical to what they're listing with the exchange rate.

Even with the laptop parts, I come out at $920USD for it setup the way I'd like it for myself (2GHz CPU, XP Pro, Crucial 2x512, etc.). Not bad for a more energy efficient mini PC, and roughly the same price as a similar full size system which would use more power.

A person could still get a better system for less money with a cube, but none that I've seen so far would have the energy saving features of the laptop components like this one.
QUOTE(dark41 @ 6:15pm Thu Jul 26 2007) [snapback]1399716[/snapback]

Well then it would be a much better deal at Excaliber.com than it would at ecost.com huh? Unless of course a person doesn't want Vista.

My guess was that it was saying it was Vista capable. There just isn't enough information on that page. The price disparity is pretty huge, though, which makes me wonder. Unless Excaliber is known for having dramatically lower prices . . .

Edited to add: And here's another place where you can purchase parts at the same time. Vista Ultimate sure isn't bundled in there either.
QUOTE(elvers @ 4:01am Fri Jul 27 2007) [snapback]1399572[/snapback]

I see no mention of Vista Ultimate being included here.

Well then it would be a much better deal at Excaliber.com than it would at ecost.com huh? Unless of course a person doesn't want Vista.
QUOTE(dark41 @ 10:58am Thu Jul 26 2007) [snapback]1399557[/snapback]

Actually a nice little system, and the first I've seen to use laptop/notebook components.

I think more mini computers than that use laptop components.

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Seems that ExcaliberPC has it with Vista Ultimate for $429.26USD. Not sure if that's fully assembled or not as they don't have a specs or description sheet yet, but I'd assume its bare bones as the going price for that seems to be around $320USD.


Looks to be barebone. I see no mention of Vista Ultimate being included here.
QUOTE(Bruce @ 6:20am Thu Jul 26 2007) [snapback]1399154[/snapback]


Actually a nice little system, and the first I've seen to use laptop/notebook components.

Seems that ExcaliberPC has it with Vista Ultimate for $429.26USD. Not sure if that's fully assembled or not as they don't have a specs or description sheet yet, but I'd assume its bare bones as the going price for that seems to be around $320USD.

Acer AOPEN MINIPC MP965-DR SUPER MULTI SOCKET P INTEL CORE 2 DUO VISTA ULTIMATE RTL

https://www.excaliberpc.com/Acer_AOPEN_MINI...-id-579864.html

There's actually quite a few cubes on newegg.com from just under $100 to just under $200. Shuttle is good and includes PSUs for AMD, P4, or C2D (still too pricey for the C2D), although the Lian Li's are attractive too w/o PSUs. I sure wish I could match those prices here, or newegg would sell overseas.
Am I the only one old enough to remember when Apple 1st started marketing their systems with a caption similar to "it's not a PC, it's a Mac"? Whatever the exact catch phrase was, it was Apple who tried to separate themselves from the rest of the world, not visa versa.
QUOTE(Bruce @ 2:36am Sun Jul 22 2007) [snapback]1397581[/snapback]

Unlike many of the PC makers who are struggling or now completely gone because they choose to lower prices so much that they thought sustaining losses would benefit them, Apple chooses to sell their product for a price that they know will make them money.

As for being fleeced from Microsoft goes, well I just don't believe it because if you choose to do it, and the choice is yours then there is no fleecing at all. Just stupidity.

I am not saying people who use MS products are stupid. I am saying the ones who use MS products and think they are being "fleeced" are stupid. Because if a person thinks the company is crooked, and is fleecing them, and they continue to purchase those products then there is only one conclusion that can be made. STUPID!


Surely, you cannot be suggesting that we lay our eyes upon the death document... the EULA?

a shiny turd is still just a turd

*RUNS*
You make a good point about the shinyness potential.
QUOTE(brandon @ 5:14pm Wed Jul 25 2007) [snapback]1399257[/snapback]

I know all about it. But, with people like you and I in the world, with totally different preferences, this argument will continue forever, and I like using bold text.

As I see!

You keep your preferences, I'll keep mine. I don't intend (or expect) to change your mind. But the important information about what installing OS X on a "non-Mac PC" entails is . . . well . . . important. OSx86 is not for everyone and it's definitely going to be a deal-breaker for many.

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Of course though, not all the Macs are PCs in a shiny box. The Mac Pro box isn't shiny at all.

Maybe with a little bit of polish, it can be shined up really nice.
I know all about it. But, with people like you and I in the world, with totally different preferences, this argument will continue forever, and I like using bold text.

Of course though, not all the Macs are PCs in a shiny box. The Mac Pro box isn't shiny at all.
QUOTE(brandon @ 5:03pm Wed Jul 25 2007) [snapback]1399249[/snapback]

I CAN USE BOLD TEXT AND ALL CAPITAL LETTERS TOO

I figured that if you felt the need to emphasize that "Macs are PCs" with large bold text, then it would not be inappropriate to emphasize how they are different using the same method.

The not insignificant issues of legality and compatibility of running OS X on a PC (excuse me, "non-Mac PC") do not seem to be something that we can count on hearing all that frequently from you, after all.
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And for the record, this is PC Pitstop forums, not one Mac fanboy against the world forums.

I was just pointing out something in the same manner as you did: bold text. Sorry if you can't find the humor in it.

Here: This will cheer you up! Shiny box! Shiny box!
I CAN USE BOLD TEXT AND ALL CAPITAL LETTERS TOO

And for the record, this is PC Pitstop forums, not one Mac fanboy against the world forums.
Let's just cut to the chase here, so we don't have to go through the whole Macs are PCs "shiny box" shpeil with brandon again:

Mac's hardware is different than PC hardware in that it can LEGALLY run Mac OS X and it can run Windows with a minimum of fuss (buy Bootcamp; your Intel Mac is compatible with Windows XP or above). Mac hardware is different than PC hardware because it has far more COMPATIBILITY in running Mac OS X (no worries about "is my computer totally compatible?" "Is this part compatible?"). Mac hardware is different from PC hardware in that you can LEGALLY run pretty much all major operating systems Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux.

The reason someone would prefer to get a Mac machine is because they want to stay LEGAL and they don't want to deal with possible COMPATIBILITY issues that are present when attempting to install OS X on a PC-based machine. Many people are not interested in building their own PC or troubleshooting it, they want to slip in the install disk and have their OS install without a lot of hassle.

Another reason someone would prefer to get a Mac machine is because they want to use Mac-specific software (Final Cut, Logic, Garageband) and they want to do it on a machine that is configured LEGALLY and they want to do it with a minimum of installation worries.
QUOTE(adidal @ 4:59pm Wed Jul 25 2007) [snapback]1399161[/snapback]

I don't think 16 gigs of ram and 4 video cards and up to 4 TBs of space is limited upgradeability. not to mention 2 dual core processors or 2 quad core processors. Again, they may not be the best but with Vista in my opinion it's a nice option.

Personal opinion and ingorance. You find what you like, you pay for it. end of story.


That's the exception, not the rule.

In terms of expandibility, PCs are better than Macs, and for someone who is neutral, you sure do sound pro Mac.
name one imac that i can get those options in...there's the mac pro for over two grand with just 1 gig of ram, but i digress.
QUOTE(brandon @ 4:56pm Wed Jul 25 2007) [snapback]1399160[/snapback]

Macs ARE PCs

Except they are PCs with limited upgradeability, and operating system releases that tack on a few new features for $129. Microsoft does the same thing with Windows. Throw in a few new things, call it a new version of Windows, and charge exorbitant prices for it.



I don't think 16 gigs of ram and 4 video cards and up to 4 TBs of space is limited upgradeability. not to mention 2 dual core processors or 2 quad core processors. Again, they may not be the best but with Vista in my opinion it's a nice option.

Personal opinion and ingorance. You find what you like, you pay for it. end of story.
Macs ARE PCs

Except they are PCs with limited upgradeability, and operating system releases that tack on a few new features for $129. Microsoft does the same thing with Windows. Throw in a few new things, call it a new version of Windows, and charge exorbitant prices for it.
QUOTE(brandon @ 4:45pm Wed Jul 25 2007) [snapback]1399146[/snapback]

I don't have to. I know why people buy PCs, and I know why people buy PCs.



Ok, my reason to buy a Mac would be flexability. Not only could have OSX i could run XP or Vista. I do know that Mac's perform well enough for most users just as most pc's do. If you want someone to answer you about why they'd choose mac's over windows. Ask film and video, music, graphic artists, designers, and engineers why they would. As i said in my first post, if you read it, that I'm on the fence. I'm doing pros and cons. I'm nuetral. I have a Windows machine right now. I have now loyalty to either. I do know, that many of my co-workers hate Vista because they are forced to rebuy all of their software and buy at least 2 gigs of ram to run smoothly. That seems like a huge resource hog to me. That's a large deterant for me. I don't an operating system that I can't run any of my old programs until Microsoft decides that people actually don't want to spend more money since they are "cheaper".

Me, I'm more comfortable with windows. I've heard enough compainst from my tech friends and our corporate help desk about Vista that has made me second guess. Those are my thoughts and opinions. Hopefully I answered your question.
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